Heather McGhee returns to the Ezra Klein Show, talking Trump, race, and empathy

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Demos President Heather McGhee returns to the Ezra Klein Show to discuss what a Trump presidency could mean. Ezra describes this episode:

There are few episodes of this show that people loved as much as my conversation with Heather McGhee, president of the think tank Demos. Our first discussion focused on race, class, populism, and the sometimes toxic ways the three interact. It's a topic I wanted to revisit in the aftermath of Trump's election, and so I asked Heather back to the show. After this conversation, I'm very, very glad I did. 

Want to hear more? Check out Heather's first appearance on Ezra's podcast.